'Occupy'

The following email exchanges have been made with Tent City at St Pauls....

 

Dear Tent City University Friends, Colleagues and Comrades,
Greetings, congratulations, admiration and support from the Raymond Williams Foundation.
You may, perhaps, have noticed our contributions to the some of the discussions you organised recently when you occupied the Guardian’s Comment is free site. The RWF website explains a bit about who we are and where we are coming from in relation to extending broadly-defined forms of educational debate and discussion in order to enhance democracy and inform forms of emancipatory education. Many of us involved in RWF have worked in areas of adult education with an explicit social and political purpose. The url is: http://www.raymondwilliamsfoundation.org.uk/
As you will see from the website, we have been deliberately involved in developing newer / alternative forms of educational discussion through open democracy discussions circles, philosophy in pubs, the SciBar movement. In these ways – outside the formal educational institutions – we believe passionately in the sorts of open and accessible critical debates and discussions which you have been developing so spectacularly. We are interested, therefore, in exploring ways in which we can build common cause between our respective concerns.
In particular and very immediately, we will be holding a residential event near Sheffield next week (23 – 25 November) under the broad heading of ‘Politics and Philosophy Today’. Details are available on the RWF website and I also attach here the provisional timetable for the sessions we will be running, together with some of the notes we will be using for many of those sessions. It is worth stressing that these are not formal academic lectures or seminars; all sessions will be organised collaboratively and the issues raised in the discussion notes will be no more than a broad framework for those involved to make their own sense (individually and as a group) of the issues and the debates. In this sense everything is facilitative to enable those involved to access and develop ideas which are meaningful to them
in their own community contexts. We aim to anchor all ‘formal knowledge’ in the concerns and practices of those seeking to develop, in whatever way they can, a more just and democratic social and political economy.
Our approach is, we trust, very much line with your own approach to learning at Tent City University. Indeed, your own endeavours over recent weeks clearly set a major context in which we need to shape our own discussions and the over-arching agenda for everyone involved in these forms of social learning.
We would be interested to explore with you whether there are ways in which we can make some links between our discussions at our residential next and your programme of discussions at Occupy LSX / Tent City University.
a) We are very happy for you to take any / all of our discussion notes / topics and use them as a focus for discussions which you may facilitate over next week.
b) We would also welcome any input you feel you could make to our own consideration of how these forms of socially engaged discussion can develop. How can these sorts of networks be extended and sustained? In what ways can the political / educational traditions and values we have relate to the experienced and practice that you have about embedding these issues in practical actions for much-needed social / political / ideological change. It would be wonderful, for example, if we could find a way to effect some sort of dialogue / exchange of ideas and concerns, between the RWF residential and Tent City University next Weds through to Friday.
c) If there is an interest in trying to use such an opportunity to widen our respective debates beyond those immediately present at our respective events, how can that commitment to common cause be enabled in practice. Specifically, would you be interested in trying to set up some form of online forum / chat room next week, which we can all access, as a space for doing this sort of sharing next week, not just on specific topics, but also on what we see as the options for taking forward our various commitments in the broadly-defined educational arena? I doubt whether full, synchronous tele-conferencing is an option. But with a bit of web creativity, we may be able to set up some sort of asynchronous facility where we can
share ideas as they emerge and explore overlaps in our respective discussions. Would it be feasible for such a common space to be created on / through Tent City University?
We do appreciate that you have a whole host of pressing issues to engage with, and we do not wish in any way to muscle in our hi-jack your agenda. It is more a case of exploring, in the light of our own endeavours in alternative forms of learning for democracy, how your own experience can be supported and extended.
If any of this strikes a chord, do please get in touch. For ease of initial communication, it may be best to reply to me, but do please cc all the others who will receive this email – not least because Bob and Patrick are our own online wizards, and Derek is a pivotal colleague in so many of these issues.
With all our very best wishes,
We look forward to hearing from you
In full solidarity,
Julian (Batsleer)

 

 


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From: DAVID WHALLEY <davidp.whalley@btinternet.com>
To: Tent City University <tentcityuniversity@gmail.com>
Cc: Derek Tatton <derektatton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November, 2011 15:15:23
Subject: Fw: Event Submission Form [#59]

Congratulations to all at Tent City / OccupyLSX.

My name is David Whalley, I have known Derek Tatton for many years. Being able to spend most of last Wednesday at Tent City and then at Finsbury Square, I immediately saw a parallel between TCUniversity and certain democratic discussion forums in Merseyside, Manchester, East Cheshire and Staffordshire.

In parallel with Derek's discussion circles in Leek, I was one of the founders of the Bollington SciBar - "science in a bar' - "http://www.bollingtonscibar.co.uk/ .

This is one of a network of SciBars in the N West of England. My personal commitment is that this discussion format (they are not lectures) should serve as a means to encourage non-scientists to gain a measure of awareness of what is happening in contemporary research and what it might mean for them and the wider world. At Bollington, we encourage participants of all ages and all backgrounds to join in - from primary school to pensioner age.

In common with Derek's "open democracy discussion circles" and "Philosophy in Pubs" http://www.philosophyinpubs.org.uk/INDEX/index.asp (the latter based in Liverpool), we are all committed to democratic participation in a free examination of concepts and ideas. All three networks of free-of-charge, pub-based discussion groups evolved independently of each other. What they have in common is that they introduce as many people as possible to discussion and debate of subjects which they may never have met before. All events are free and organisation in minimal and non-hierarchical. We like to think that Raymond Williams would have approved!

Whatever fate has in store for Tent City University, the style of democratic organisation and debate that has arisen outside St Paul's has a vigorous set of siblings in the North West region.

Good luck. You have my continuing support as much as I can manage from over 200 miles away.

David - Macclesfield

PS: Is there an "Occupy" protest in Manchester, Liverpool or Stoke yet?




--- On Tue, 8/11/11, derek tatton <derektatton@btinternet.com> wrote:


From: derek tatton <derektatton@btinternet.com>
Subject: Fw: Event Submission Form [#59]
To: "david whalley" <davidp.whalley@btinternet.com>
Date: Tuesday, 8 November, 2011, 10:04

Hi David,
This could get interesting?
Keep smiling
Derek


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From: derek tatton <derektatton@btinternet.com>
To: Tent City University <tentcityuniversity@gmail.com>
Cc: bobandjackie@uwclub.net; paul doran <dordogs2001@yahoo.com>; joseph boughey <water.47@ntlworld.com>; joseph tatton <joetatton@me.com>; sheila jones <sheila.jones58@googlemail.com>; john kay <johnrosekay@live.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November, 2011 9:35:52
Subject: Re: Event Submission Form [#59]

Hi TCU,
Thanks for this prompt response. Fine to use our illustrations, whatever, any time. Suggested ways to collaborate:
i) no pressure, just keep in touch;
ii) share ideas for debate and discussion;
iii) we in the Leek area tend to use relevant articles, papers, broadcasts or even books to provide us with points/issues/quotes to stimulate.... so we'd very much welcome any ideas, issues, or quotes coming from you
iv) you can access all our programmes and notes on our web-site: ditto
v) I've been impressed with many of the slogans on banners and tents - could someone make a note of all these (world-wide) and send the list through to us?. They'd then be rated and discussed in our pub!
vi) more ambitiously, link up with some residential event such as Wortley Hall (attached)
Keep going, and smiling


From: Tent City University <tentcityuniversity@gmail.com>
To: derektatton@btinternet.com
Sent: Monday, 7 November, 2011 18:29:42
Subject: Re: Event Submission Form [#59]


Hi Derek!

Good on you for doing these discussion circles!

I particularly liked your diagram on the website with the arrows and heads about increased knowledge and understanding - i might use this as an inspiration for a drawing if thats ok!

How were you thinking we could collaborate?

Xx TCU


On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Wufoo <no-reply@wufoo.com> wrote:
Name * derek tatton
Email * derektatton@btinternet.com
Phone Number
01538 370067
Title of Event/Workshop/Lecture etc *
Why Marx was right - discussion circle in pubs...
Description *

I organise a discussion circle each week in The Blue Mugge pub, Leek, North Staffordshire. Tomorrow evening, Tue 8 Nov we will discuss Why Marx was right - with notes on 2 sides of A4 to guide us, based on Terry Eagleton's book of same name. We are now linked to a network of pub/cafe/bar discussion groups and circles, mainly in the North West but extending country-wide.

We'd like, if possible to link up with you. Full details of all we do can be read via this web-site:
www.raymondwilliamsfoundation.org.uk > following links to discussion circles.
For example, if there's time for tomorrow evening - your views on our theme above?

One of our circle members was down with you recently. Our membership - very broad, eclectic, mainly older men but we welcome everybody.

Best wishes,

Derek Tatton